The paradox of the strong and submissive woman

Let me just start by saying that as a man who has, over the past couple of years, truly come into his own, it's a real pleasure for me to see men like Random, Howard Frank, Gary and Dan (of Dan and Amber) whose nature as a dominant partner ties in directly to their nature as a gentleman and, truthfully, as a masculine nurturer. We are truly blessed to have the partners that we do, and they in turn are blessed to have men like us in their lives (I am no believer in false modesty – it's just a part of my appalling American streak). Not that I in any way believe that all relationships should be like ours. I have to admit that I grit my teeth when I read things like “The male is naturally the dominant partner, while the female is naturally submissive,” then laugh to think what my wonderful dominant female friends would say to this (and how they might react if they had a paddle in their hands at the time...). It is not that “This is the one truly right way to live and love”, it's simply that it is so important to understand and be honest about one's own nature and to find a partner who complements you in her own nature, needs and desires.

For me this is one of the essential paradoxes at play in my relationship, and in all successful relationships I have had – and I use paradox in the truest sense of something that appears to be a contradiction, but is actually a deeper form of truth than we can usually express.

The nature of this particular paradox is this: That it is in my partner's nature to be a strong, independent and, at times, even commanding force in much of her life, while also having a genuinely and lovingly submissive side that she chooses to share with a trusted partner. It is not that the strong, independent, commanding side of her is an act, a way of ‘being tough’ for the outside world – it is who she is and neither she nor I would ever choose to change it.

Both sides of her are equally ‘her’ and each one feeds the other – the strong, independent side helps her to grow and explore and to protect herself in a world that is by no means always benevolent or benign. But her submissive side, the part of her that will always be a young girl – playful, loving and constantly reassured by having a stronger, guardian force there to nurture and guide her – helps to give the womanly, independent side strength.

Human nature being what it is, although I believe we have these polarities ‘hard-wired’ into us, we are not designed to be able to meet all of our own needs. However independent any of us may be, we are truly social animals, and it is important to honor and respect that. By nurturing and encouraging both sides of my beloved M (the sides of her that is “My lady” and the side that is “My girl”) I help make both stronger.

Now how does this play out for me? Do I have exactly the same needs? Not quite. I certainly do have a vulnerable side (as does every human being with a soul), but his needs are not exactly the same as M's. I love being taken care of when it is a gift from my beloved or my friends and family. I love being able to let go with those I most deeply trust and admire, to allow myself to be a well-taken-care-of child at times so that I can be even more fully the man that I am the rest of the time.

But – and you will see this is in actual children – not everyone's (please forgive the cliché) ‘inner child’ is the same. No children respond well to abuse, but I do believe that some respond well to a more hands-on, dominant style of parenting than others. Although no children really love the actual moment of being spanked by their parents, some respond very well to knowing that there is a very firm hand to guide and discipline them whenever they stumble and fall. For these children, I believe that lovingly given spankings of the firm-but-not-harsh variety, and that are preceded and followed by much parental love and affection are truly beneficial (and political correctness be damned...).

But for others, this is simply not the case (Lord knows, I was one of this latter kind) – I would have hated being disciplined in this way and reacted to it in a fight-to-the-death kind of way. And so, growing up, I made sure that I was always well-behaved enough to not have to be, and so was able to do my own thing most of the time without needing authority imposed on me. Had my parents decided to apply some ‘old-fashioned’ discipline to me, my reaction would have been to fight them until they understood that this simply was not going to work for us, no matter what the cost to myself. However, for whatever reason, I could always respond to being reasoned with, and when treated this way acted like a real little mensch almost all the time.

Until fairly recently, I had thought because this was true of me, it must be true of every child – then I met a lot more children and talked to my friends about their experiences parenting and being parented and realized it simply wasn't the case. The kind of liberal, reasonable, hands-off approach that worked so well for me, might, with another child, have produced an unhappy, disrespectful brat who felt thoroughly neglected and acted out all the time to demonstrate this.

Not that the kind of child, who would respond to even the most loving spanking by becoming truly and aggressively defensive, should not have boundaries set for him or her. As it is with the dogs we keep as pets, children need to know that boundaries of acceptable and non-acceptable conduct exist so that they can grow and be happy. It is simply that other (perhaps more ‘adult’) forms of discipline – such as ‘community service’ projects like whitewashing a wall or cleaning out an attic, instead of going on a family movie trip – may be more beneficial to their growth and happiness.

It is the same with me and M – both of us have our vulnerabilities, both of us make human mistakes. For M, when she needs to be held accountable (or sometimes just comforted by my loving strength) a spanking provides a wonderful release and a feeling of being well-loved and well-taken-care-of. When I fail in some way towards her (say, when I am inadvertently inconsiderate or disrespectful to her) I take myself in hand not through punishment, but by offering a formal and sincere apology immediately and making some kind of practical amends as soon as possible. Being the dominant partner, I choose the kind of amends to make – but I do so intuitively, based on the nature of my offense and what I believe M needs to know that I understand my failing and to reassure her of my love and respect for her.

And so far, this appears to work wonderfully well for us. We have a relationship which is founded on a fundamental basis of equality – the needs and desires of both partners are held to be equally valuable and equally worthy of cherishing and respect. But we understand the value of the wisdom that “Equal does not mean the same.” Just as any parent worthy of their children loves all of them equally and unconditionally, but would never force their bookishly inclined son to compete for the soccer team, nor force their athletically-gifted daughter to take extra-credit classes in ancient Greek. They will, and should, encourage the bookish son to take some form of exercise and the athletic daughter to complete her studies as well as she is reasonably able. But they understand that true healthy balance for each child as an individual is not a zero-sum game – providing precisely the same amount of each kind of activity for each child, regardless of that child's natural inclinations, is simply not good parenting.

Similarly, M and I enjoy a relationship that allows us to follow our truest natures, meets our needs and fulfills and satisfies our desires. It is a relationship that strengthens both of us and allows both of us to grow and to experience great joy in our lives. And should our relationship fail to meet the criteria that either the politically correct or the moralistically conservative feel are necessary to be ‘healthy’ or ‘normal’... Well, then, in my humble opinion, that is simply an unforeseen but much appreciated bonus. Offending the dogmatic and hypocritical sensibilities of those on both the Right and the Left – and tweaking those who refuse to be honest, even with their own selves, in the pursuit of conformity to whatever ideology – is one of the smaller pleasures in life that every adult man and woman should be able to enjoy.

Max Maximovich

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Who needs what

There is one part of this article that I disagree with. It is off-topic for this web site so I don't want to get into a discussion about it here, but I think that children don't need a firm hand, they need reason, unless they have been so screwed up that force is needed to protect people and property from them.

It is a mistake to think that by looking at different children, or talking to a variety of parents, you can reasonably conclude that some children are born needing a firm hand. You cannot logically draw any conclusions from this sort of ‘evidence’ because you can't know how the child would have been had he or she been brought up a different way. Merely being raised by the same parents does not mean that there are not significant differences in how they were raised. How we interact with others depends not just upon us but upon them too. Small differences at birth (for example, if Baby 1 cries a lot because he is in pain, but Baby 2 doesn't) can lead to differences in how the parents interact with one baby compared to another. This in turn leads to further differences in their interactions, and so on.

Let me ask you something, Max. You seem to be suggesting that just as some adults seem to need to be taken in hand, so do some children. Do you think that it would be right for you to decide that another adult needs a firm hand whether she likes it or not? Whether she wants that kind of relationship or not? My guess is that you would say no. Do you think that parents should respect their children's wishes in this too?

(Oh dear! This is way off-topic. Not a good discussion to get into here!)

The man of the house is the o...

The man of the house is the one that knows best for all and needs to impose Discapline for the good of All. A woman doesn't always no what she needs. My wife like me to be the boss.

Max - a well thought out article!

Hi Max - loved the article.

You have captured something I was trying to express in one of my other articles, that of the nuturing aspect. I have always thought that there is almost a "duty of care" from the man to the woman. I am sorry to say I disagree with Mr Tom - whilst the decisions remain mine, I always seek my partner's views first. I would not think of overriding her decision without having heard her viewpoint first.

I particularly like the line "equal does not mean the same" - a PERFECT summary.

Looking forward to more articles in the same vein

Random

Comparing children to pets is...

Comparing children to pets is just plain wrong.

Can the woman speak?

Mr Tom says: The man of the house is the one that knows best for all and needs to impose Discapline for the good of All.
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Are you sure you don't mean "for the good of himself?" You are sounding like a lot like politicians. Let me traslate: "for the good of all," = "for the benefits of the elites in power."

But then of course, if you are "The man of the house"[sic], I am not surprised that you are able to decide AND enforce what is "for the good of all[sic]." sounds like a delicious recipe for tyranny to me.

Mr Tom says: A woman doesn't always no what she needs. =================================

That's a fair comment, but I am curious now, WHO on earth always knows what s/he needs? Would you happen to also believe that men somehow know better than women what is good for them?

Mr Tom says: My wife like me to be the boss.
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Its great that your wife *allows* you speak for her, but most women have their own voices and are quite happy and capable of speaking for themselves. Contrary to popular beliefs, some of us are realist who enjoy submission as a EQUAL part of the play, who do not expect our "man of the house" to know it all, and to speak for us.

-sudolly
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the belief in truth is precisely madness - Nietzsche

You got me thinking

I have read and enjoyed the articles posted on this website by Max Maximovich. The politics, his beliefs about relationships seem to resonate with my own sense of fair play. I am the first born child of a man whom I believe is quite naturally an alpha male. He actually grew up in a zoo, where as a youngster he was required to help feed and care for the animals. He had a pet wolf and was almost taken out by a miserable lion when he was about seven. He tells us he maintained eye contact and slowly backed out of the cage .... mind you, he also told us he killed a dinosaur by grabbing it by the tale and swinging it in circles over his head.

I grew up with love, trust, integrity and a few tall tales, just to keep it interesting. I do not recall ever being punished or spanked for not living up to stated expectations or breaking rules. A good kid, intelligent a simple discussion was enough to keep me on track. I do however, remember provoking my father, seeking the emotional release that was sure to follow a good spanking. There is something about that "high energy" connection, that I crave. Unfortunately, I don't think my father is up to the task and I have yet to meet a man,
who has the confidence, strength or tenacity to take me in hand.

The feminine side of me wants a home, a safe to place surface, play or hang out. At fifty, I am tired of being strong, independant and responsible. Are there men out there, willing to step up to the plate and take over? I sure hope so.

Is this about a whole generation of woman who grew up following in their father's footsteps because our country, culture and community showed little respect to a "housewife"?

How can it be compared

I don´t understand how a Taken in Hand Relationship can be compared with raising children. We have never spanked our children for misbehaving. I believe children need a firm hand but not in the sense of giving them a spanking. I`ve read stuff online about raising children and some parents believe in giving them a bare butt spanking when they don`t obey, I think that is sexual abuse. Though I don`t believe that you can compare the children and teenagers with the way they used to be in the 50`s and 60`s. I think spanking them and bringing it up on this webpage is more then off topic, it`s sick.

Autumn

Apples and oranges

While I agree that it is kind of an apples to oranges comparison, many people will say that their desires to be spanked started as early as childhood. While it may seem sick to you to bring it up on a website like this, I think for some people it is an important part of understanding why they are who they are.

[My apologies, cj, for having deleted most of your post. I hope you don't mind too much! It is just that it is about the issue of whether or not it is OK to spank children, and that is not a subject to discuss on this website. As it says in the posting guidelines, this site is about male-led intimate relationships; it is not about children, and only consensual actions and relationships may be advocated on this site, not non-consensual ones.]

not a problem....I had my dou

not a problem....I had my doubts about it being a bit out of place. It just seemed appropriate to me in the context of what others had already stated.

[Yes, you're right: I should delete those. :-) - Ed. ]

I explain it like this: as a

I explain it like this: as a strong, independent woman who, in most circumstances, would never be described as submissive, this makes the gift of submission that I give to my partner all the more precious for it is something that I must work at to achieve. It does not come naturally or by chance.

Beautiful article

First off, I won't comment on Mr. Tom's remarks or the parts about spanking children.

Second, I just want to say what a well-written article this is. I am that very strong, very cheeky/bratty, quick-witted, confident woman who enjoys not only fun spankings, but the security of being held accountable and taken in hand, when it is necessary. It is all part of who I am.

Wonderfully written

Wonderfully written.

Brat52

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