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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/node/1339#comment-9878" target="_blank">Saima from Pakistan</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is] a necessary read... Very complex, lots of power shifts, combining respect with pain, and pleasure. Domination roles. Submissive roles. The whole shebang. I'm glad I found it.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://dutchman55555.livejournal.com/8221.html" target="_blank">Dutchman</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>... is the name of a website that I discovered  less than two years ago and which made a big difference to my life.  It made me understand what it was I wanted and helped me to come to terms with my own feelings and gave me the impetus to talk seriously to my husband about our relationship for the first time ever really. The site is about male-led relationships which do not necessarily have to involve spanking.  The owner of the site is more interested in other aspects of male control. There are a lot of interesting articles on the site.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1domesticdiscipline/message/35475" target="_blank">Louise C</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is male led but male intimately led. ... I do like the <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> focus on family and the focus that marriage is between one man and one woman.  That is actually very important to me.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taken_In_Hand/message/1012" target="_blank">Frank Nelson</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[I]n <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>, I am enhancing and extending my power as a woman, and enriching my life and personality. I give up NOTHING, and gain the world.... [M]y perception of <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is that there are few other venues that can compare for teaching men the responsible, healthy uses of power. It gives men skills and confidence they can use not just in their sexual relationships, but also with their children, in their professions, and out in the community. <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> requires a far higher level of courage, sacrifice, responsibility, and personal integrity than many so-called &#8216;doms&#8217; will even think to aspire to.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taken_In_Hand/message/1010" target="_blank">Sara</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is about having the man in charge because you like it like that, it's not about blind obedience or never having your own way about anything.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taken_In_Hand/message/1004" target="_blank">Louise</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;I feel the best spanking site is <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken in Hand</a>.  I have referred hundreds of people to that site and have the link on my Yahoo profile.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishPowerExchange/message/6124" target="_blank">Tess</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;First of all, all you guys should check out this website,  <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/">www.takeninhand.com</a>, very interesting stuff here, check out the <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/node/125">Commanding Presence</a>  [and] <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/node/342">Alpha Males</a> articles, [...] very valuable insights. [...] I'm taken by this site.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seduction_dating/message/971" target="_blank">Eric</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[U]ntil 2 days ago I thought I was a crazy, ... abnormal<br />
woman. [T]hen I stumbled onto the <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken in Hand</a> website. I have never felt such relief, such internal peace in my life. This whole idea of being loved and trusting enough in another to place my, his and our well-being into his hands was exactly what I have been searching for my whole life. I spent 16 hours just reading... It is like a huge weight has lifted off my shoulders.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1domesticdiscipline/message/33437" target="_blank">Melissa</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;I enjoyed [<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>] very much and I recommend that everyone here visits it.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Profound_submission/message/15848" target="_blank">Loveart</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is serious about the nature of male-female relationships, dominance, submission (not the leather-and-stud kind), in way I find exhilarating, honest, refreshing, courageous, and exciting.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://honeybunlife.blogspot.com/2005/02/taken-in-hand-i-want-to-be-possessed.html" target="_blank">HoneyBun</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>: Fascinating BDSM blog that deals with difficult and hot topics!&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/links.htm" target="_blank">Polly Peachum</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;The <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken in Hand</a> website has proven to be a valuable source for intelligent and well thought out articles exploring [male-led relationships]. [...] For women who have longed for a relationship such as this and have no idea where to start, this is a great site for you.  For men that want to better understand the whole concept from a women’s point of view, this site is a must read.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.thespankingblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/domestic_discipline_articles_spanked_wife_punished_spouse/" target="_blank">Michael Masterson</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;It's a great site.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.msn.com/DomesticDisciplineandHOHRelationships/general.msnw?action=get_message&#038;mview=1&#038;ID_Message=2754" target="_blank">Gem</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;If you think <b>my</b> perspective on dating isn't politically correct you should go read <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>. [It has] posts with titles like, <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/when.rape.is.a.gift" title="Read this post">When rape is a gift</a>. You go, girl.  Defy those hairy-armpitted feminists and enjoy yourself. :)&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://jacquelinepassey.blogs.com/blog/2004/04/if_you_think_my.html" target="_blank">Jacqueline Passey</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;great site.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Profound_submission/message/15658" target="_blank">valerie</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;There are lots of websites for people in the BDSM, D/s, DD (domestic discipline) and spanking communities. There are websites for people who belong to religions that advocate male-head-of-household marriage. There are even websites for Christians who are interested in BDSM. But there are very few websites for people who are interested in male-led intimate relationships but who are not interested in all that the above communities associate with this kind of relationship (jargon, clothes, etc.)<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some of us don't even like thinking of this as a lifestyle. [...]<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you are interested in this kind of relationship but are not interested in BDSM or D/s or DD or spanking websites, there's a new website for you: <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.powerandlove.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/power/taken_in_hand.writeback" target="_blank">Tom Newman</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>] is really the most beautiful website devoted to DD.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.msn.com/DomesticDisciplineandHOHRelationships/general.msnw?action=get_message&#038;mview=1&#038;ID_Message=1860" target="_blank">PaLady</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>] is my major kink&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://bondage.com/topic_id/101212/p/3/forums/topic.html" target="_blank">Spoiledgrrl</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is an] erudite and intelligent site&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.submissivewife.org/wisdom1.html" target="_blank">Emily Cox</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is a]n excellent site with many thought-provoking articles and responses.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.msn.com/DomesticDisciplineandHOHRelationships/links.msnw" target="_blank">Doug</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is] one of the most exciting sites on the internet!&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Discipline-Harmony/message/856" target="_blank">Malcolm</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[T]he whole damn site really is one of the most well articulated (pro/con) loaded blogs I've seen. It provides a cross section of how people are feeling out there even amongst those who are &#8216;seemingly&#8217; natural allies.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RavNet/message/13" target="_blank">zbigdogX</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;As I view it, I'm a control freak. I love to be in control. However, I fantasize about that control being stripped from me and handed over to someone else....namely, my husband. I'm just glad I found a site that makes me realize I'm not a freak for wanting to be dominated&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.gypsygirl.net/gypsygirl-archives/000580.html" target="_blank">GypsyGirl</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;I was delighted to receive word of <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>. ... a very thoughtful and well-written group blog. ... I'm looking forward to reading through this blog the way I look forward to reading a new novel by a favorite author. It looks that good.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.spankingblog.com/arc20031001.htm#BlogID1336" target="_blank">SpankBoss</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;Wow. This site is so amazing.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://suburbansexblog.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_suburbansexblog_archive.html#108076909396883405" target="_blank">Ken</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is] a wonderful website ... from a MaleDom/femsub perspective ... [I]t's about the interpersonal dynamics of loving relationships where the man is the boss. [I]t's assumed that both partners are in it because that's what they want and have chosen. Also, unlike many other &#8216;traditional marriage&#8217; sites, it's not coming from any sort of biblical perspective. ... Some of the best writing I've seen on these topics, from a variety of authors.&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TraditionalDs/message/2990" target="_blank">Dee</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;[<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> is] a brill resource.... for info articles... and real life experiences&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.britishspanking.com/forums/showpost.php?p=360157&#038;postcount=13" target="_blank">Spirited Angel</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;A very cool site&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://www.greeblie.com/theyeti/arch/012996.html" target="_blank">The Yeti</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;Thank you for providing such a positive, validating place for like-minded people to talk about this in a way that affirms the dignity of both men and women&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taken_In_Hand/message/19" target="_blank">Mary</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;a great site&#8221;</i><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Discipline-Harmony/message/821" target="_blank">Jana Peterson</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;an exremely high quality site... I highly recommend [<a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a>].&#8221;</i><br />
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<div class="content"><p>I've been married now for two months. If you've read my writing elsewhere, you'll know the circumstances of how that coincided with launching into a more traditional style of life together. My relationships with men have always involved a lot of conflict. I'm very assertive and I guess that can be interpreted as aggressive too. I work in a man's world, I'm one of a very small number of women in my field and I'm just one of life's scrappers I suppose. But that is a mantle I assume for my day job. I don't want the hassle of it when I get home too. I like the idea of having my man kill my personal dinosaurs and I like the idea of cooking them down for him once he has!</p>
<p> So when I got married second time around, I vowed to <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/taxonomy/term/35">obey</a>. I didn't really address it in my mind as an active lifestyle choice but on reflection, when we looked at the services we could choose, I had no hesitation in choosing the very traditional one. We had the kind of priest who was happy to remove the obey bit if we wanted, but I recall Mark shooting a look at me when this was suggested (by the priest) and knowing in my heart that I wanted it in my vows and in my life.</p>
<p> Part of why I can obey Mark, is that he just so clearly is the head of our household. He's a naturally in charge sort of guy. But more than that, I respect him. For the first time in any relationship I've had, and not just the romantic ones, I've met somebody who is stronger than me from an emotional intelligence point of view. I know that I can rely on him and that he wants me to. He can rely on me too, let's face it we all need a hug every now and then, but what I'm talking about is more to do with taking on the traditional roles in our household and having one of us be the decision maker.</p>
<p> For those who suggest that the <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/taxonomy/term/6">discipline</a> should go two ways &#8211; and by that I mean that the husband should submit to discipline from the wife as well as the other way around, I say this, I don't get to punish my husband, that's the whole point... I promised to obey him. In return he protects me, supports me and takes the responsibility of being the decision maker. I guess his punishment is in the consequences when he makes the wrong decisions. He imposes his own discipline &#8211; self-discipline.</p>
<p> I certainly don't get to or want to tell him to take a &#8220;bare butt whipping&#8221;. The lifestyle we have chosen together isn't about an excuse to indulge in S&#038;M or pointless physical punishments, it's about traditional roles within our household which create an atmosphere of harmony because we don't have the &#8216;modern&#8217; battle of trying to lead the pack; and part of that includes chastisement from the leader occasionally, in many forms.</p>
<p> In the last week or so, we have introduced a new way of reducing antagonistic scenes and arguments brewing. It involves counting! On some occasions Mark will simply tell me to count to ten. I remember my granny used to tell me to do this when steam started to shoot from my ears as a kid. When Mark tells me to do it, it makes me stop and think about the track I'm going down. If he's had to say it to me it tends to be because the track is pretty self-destructive, either for me or our relationship. On other occasions, he will ask me if I want him to count me. Either I stop or he counts to one &#8211; that will have a consequence later involving some form of punishment, if he gets to two, well the consequences simply increase and at three the consequence will probably involve a later physical chastisement and will involve me having to take time out there and then. It seems like the most embarrassing thing in the world to be told to take a time out in a public place like a shopping centre for example. But sitting on a bench for ten minutes, calming myself down and thinking through what ever it is I've been up to <em>works</em>! The whole point is that I stop, I calm down, I know that I have just been told that the battle no longer exists and that is the end of it, no grudges, back to harmony and getting on with the fun of loving each other and the time we have. OK so it isn't the end of it in that the consequential punishment may come later but it is the end of it on an emotional level.</p>
<p> I know that I can easily goad Mark to the point where he wants to punch my lights out. He doesn't of course but when I use that kind of emotional bullying against him, we have both agreed that he has the absolute right to let me know the error of my ways. I'm not a whipping slave, I make sure that it doesn't happen often and that it will happen less and less often but only because I'm learning to behave myself in more appropriate ways and therefore he doesn't need to show me any form of discipline. Having spent the past 30+ years learning how to be a &#8216;modern&#8217; woman, it naturally takes a little time unlearning those dictates, accepting that actually I don't want them.</p>
<p> Since entering into my new, married lifestyle, I have very rapidly come to the conclusion that the obedience I observe in my marriage is about much more than my husband putting me over his knee. In fact, that is probably the least significant part of it. What is truly important and remarkable is the joy we have found in our traditional roles. All the pressures of our pre-marriage days have simply drifted away by defining our relationship in this way. By defining it, I don't mean we've called it a &#8220;DD&#8221; relationship, because Mark certainly hasn't and we have no interest in any sort of &#8216;scene&#8217;. What I mean is that we have defined the roles we both have and we both know what the boundaries of those respective roles are and we have rules to follow.</p>
<p> This takes a lot of the negative thinking out of the whole equation. I know that if there is an important decision to be made, Mark has the final word after listening to my opinion, there is no point in fighting if I don't agree, I have already pre-agreed that he gets to decide and of course, he also gets to live with himself if he's FUBAR'd.</p>
<p> So sorry any feminists out there reading this because... I want men to hold doors open for me, I want to feel like a princess in my husband's arms, I want to be feminine, I want to be able to cry when it all gets too much for me out there and to know that my husband is there, shining armor buffed by me, sword in hand ready to fight my battles for me. It makes me feel safe and it makes me the happiest I've been in my whole life.</p>
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<p>I very much enjoyed your description of how your marriage works. At the end, however, you introduced your last paragraph with "So sorry any feminists out there reading this...", and I'd like to comment on that. Feminism is about women being free to make choices in their lives, rather than having those choices made for them by society. There is nothing anti-feminist about your choice, which you made freely. Good luck!</p>

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<p>I wish it were true that feminism is about women making free choices, but unfortunately, it isn't. They say that it is, but if you choose to be with a man who wears the trousers in the relationship, many feminists either brand you a traitor to womenkind or deem you not of sound mind.</p>
<p>but if there are feminists out there who don't, that's great!</p>

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<p>There are always those who will criticize the choices that others make, and criticism of relationships that embrace domestic discipline is certainly not confined to feminists.</p>
<p>I think where both sides of the discussion get into trouble is when they put forth the notion that what is comfortable and right for them is the "natural" way to be. I expect that what alienates some women about domestic discipline is the position that some proponents take that this is the way things are meant to be, and *should* be, between all men and all women. I think a more respectful approach is "this is what's right for me and mine; this is what works for us; this is what makes us happy."</p>

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<p>Someone writes:<br />
<blockquote>There are always those who will criticize the choices that others make, and criticism of relationships that embrace domestic discipline is certainly not confined to feminists.</blockquote>
I agree. It is certainly not just feminists. But I don't think we can deny that a proportion of feminists take the view that if the choices we make are not the ones they would make, we are <i>ipso facto</i> mad or bad. Someone continues:<br />
<blockquote>I think where both sides of the discussion get into trouble is when they put forth the notion that what is comfortable and right for them is the "natural" way to be. I expect that what alienates some women about domestic discipline is the position that some proponents take that this is the way things are meant to be, and *should* be, between all men and all women. I think a more respectful approach is "this is what's right for me and mine; this is what works for us; this is what makes us happy."</blockquote>
Actually I agree with this too. My hunch is that the desire for a strong man is not The Natural And Right Way to Be, it's fun and exciting to us for cultural reasons. I don't believe the hard wiring idea, but I don't think it matters either way. We don't need to argue that it is natural or a matter of hard wiring for it to be OK. There is nothing wrong with it! (The same goes for homosexuality, IMO.) See my comments <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/node/31">here</a> too.</p>

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<p>Oh my gosh!! I could have written this! Right down to the male dominated field and the previous relationships defined by conflict.</p>
<p>The whole church nearly fainted dead away when I promised to obey my husband two years ago (I was 48 yrs old, and a life-long feminist.) He insisted.</p>
<p>Even as I spoke the words, although it felt right, I was afraid. And I had absolutely no idea what wonderful treasures were in store for me. This is marriage as it was meant to be!! (And I don't mean the "nature" thing.) Everyone I know is jealous of me, my husband's friends and colleagues are jealous of him, and we ourselves can't believe our good fortune.</p>
<p>I still believe in equal pay for equal work.... ;-)</p>

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<p>When I got married in my mom's church we didn't use the word obey in our vows. My mom would have fainted on the spot or would have stood and objected ~ there was no doubt about that. So since she was footing the bill, did most of the planning and had basically been bullying us for months about all the damn details we didn't want to rock that particulair boat. Plus, we were already completely committed to each other in our hearts and minds. Our wedding was simply a formality for the folks.</p>
<p>So after the service, we were behind the alter to sign the license in front of the priest, my dad, my sister (who was my maid of honor) and his best man. That's when my husband joked with the priest that he wished we HAD included 'obey'. </p>
<p>And the priest said "Well, of course, that one's assumed." </p>
<p>No one really said anything and my new husband and I just smiled and signed our license. </p>
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<p>Just popped into this site.  Have visually scanned the articles and have only one question - Where can a truly God fearing, obedient woman be found? Where are the women who know that the man is supposed to be the spiritual leader in the house and willingly submits to that? The scriptural type union between a man and a woman comes only second to that of the union/relationship between a person and their God.  None of the above is a part of any denomination or sect.  It is just the unpolluted truth of the intimate relationship between a man and a woman.  My name is James and I live in SE Ohio, in the USA.  My e-mail address is jbee<img src="images/at.gif" alt="@">zoominternet.net. As you can tell I am not shy about this.   I am retired from the military and am ready, as it be God's will, to be the mate the DD woman needs and desires.  Thank you for posting this and keep the site going.  Blessings from above, James.</p>

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<p>Ideally, I would say she should be in the church you choose to attend.
But, I've found that not to be the case for me. Don't get me wrong,
there are many good "eligibles", but I haven't yet found one with that
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<p>Hi James<br />
  I read your comment and liked it. There are truly obedient, God-fearing women out there. I am one of them. I am newly married to a wonderful christian male. He is the head of our household and the christian leader in our home. I live each day in thankfulness to God, putting Him first and my husband second. I try to live according to what God wants vs. what I would want. We had very traditional marriage vows. I honor, respect, and yes obey my husband. When I don't he lets me know about it. He sets loving boundaries for me to go by each day. I know when I have overstepped them and with it comes consequences. I love our marriage and feel this is the way God intends marriage to be. So James yes, there are women out there be patient. I am sure you will find one just right for you if it is indeed God's will for your life. In His Grip, Janelle </p>
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<p>What is the difference between a woman who chooses to be taken in hand, and a woman who is forced or coerced into obiedience?  The answer is in modern Feminism. Women sought to make choices for themselves and not as some one in this chat mentioned "have society make choices for them" I believe that submiting to your man's authority by choice IS feminist.  When I broached the subject with my partner I exlplained to him that his authority over me is a power, one that I wouldn't give to anyone but him.  I choose blanket submission to my darling, but without being repetitive it is the choice that makes the difference.  If when we started dating he insisted, coereced, or forced me to be obiedient to him, that would be abusive, and honestly I would have had nothing more to do with him.  Instead he waited around for me to ask him to be my authority. I honestly could not survive another argument where I am entirely closed off&#8212;punitive sulking someone called it.  Anyway, I am a proud pagan, feminist, And a submitted fiancée.</p>

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<h3 class="title"><a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/my.perfect.guy,.and.the.marriage.he.has.given.me#comment-1204" title="Link to this comment." class="active">Scriptual type union</a></h3>

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<p>Something like this?</p>
<p>A. Marriage shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)<br />
B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)<br />
C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)<br />
D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)<br />
E. Since marriage is for life, neither the US Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)<br />
F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)<br />
G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female.* (Gen 19:31-36)<br />
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<p>Oh, brilliant! Malcolm is a genius.  Christians always talk as if the Bible is a book that makes SENSE, but if you actually start to read it, you see how full of contradictions and weird goings-on it is.  Personally, I feel about the Bible the way Randolph Churchill (son of Winston) did.  During WW2 he was holed up in a signal post or something with Evelyn Waugh and somebody else.  They bet him he couldn't read the Bible all the way through in a week, hoping it would keep him quiet.  However, it didn't work, as he read he kept shouting "My God, what a shit God is!"</p>

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<p>Don't give me credit for this, louise, I got it third hand from Protestants for the Common Good</p>
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<div class="links">by <a href="user/653" title="View user profile.">Malcolm</a> on 2004 Jun 23 - 10:56 | <a href="user/login">login</a> or <a href="user/register">register</a> to post comments</div>

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<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>  I just was skimming through this stuff. I know i'm only 16 years old but i totally agree with what I'm reading. I'm in church a lot and no women i've met there (or anywhere else) seem to believe men have the authority. It also makes me frusterated because no guy i know seems to want a responsibility like that. They pretty well give women the authority in the relationship right off the get-go. I think the world's a little out of order in that sense. cheers.</p>

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<p>I have also found most men do not want the responsibility of authority in an intimate relationship.  This issue has become a serious problem in my marriage and leaves me emotionally drained.  Having to lead our household for 15 years has led to me desperately wishing for a break.  I fear my emotional frustration will lead to me destroying our marriage in an attempt to find an alpha male who is willing to take the lead.</p>

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<p>Yeah, I vowed to obey my husband over 10 years ago :)  We were far from family and firends, so I have no idea how they would have reacted...but I think they see our marriage is not the modern typical norm...</p>
<p>When I was in college in the early 90s my roommate thought I was insane...I was getting a degree, but my dream was to be a stay-at-home wife &#038; mom...she thought it would be a waste of my degree...and she really could not understand my wanting my husband to be the head of household...in all ways...</p>
<p>so, while I think the main ideas that started feminism would not look down on a taken in hand relationship, the ones I meet think it is insane...</p>
<p>I often talk about businesses...if you own a 50/50 partnership what happens when you and your partner disagree on something?  That is why it is important to have a decission maker...while my input is sought out and greatly appreciated in my marriage, it is ultimately my husband's choice...</p>

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<div class="links">by <a href="user/3702" title="View user profile.">Katryn</a> on 2006 Jul 29 - 18:24 | <a href="user/login">login</a> or <a href="user/register">register</a> to post comments</div>

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<blockquote><p>so, while I think the main ideas that started feminism would not look down on a taken in hand relationship, the ones I meet think it is insane...</p></blockquote>
<p>It does not really surprise me at all that mentioning that you want a <a href="http://www.takeninhand.com/" class="site">Taken In Hand</a> relationship would be met with the thought that it is insane.  I must admit that I myself do not understand the need for this type of relationship.  It is surely not "logical".  If you think about it why on earth would a woman CHOOSE to obey someone else?  Why would we choose a power dynamic that is not equal when so many women fought to get out of just that type of relationship?  I think for me that matters of the heart need not be logical.  For someone like me it has taken a lot of soul searching to come to that very basic and very simple understanding.  I can completely understand though why others would question the sanity of women who willingly not only chose this type of relationship, but seek it out.  I have been actively thinking and writing about this for years now, and to be honest I have no good answer for people who wonder why I might thrive in this kind of relationship. My only answer, which is maybe not answer at all, is that matters of the heart need to be logical.</p>
<p>I agree that there is a huge difference between being forced into a male led relationship and choosing one.  But I think the average reader, outside of the community, would suspect foul play, or insanity. It is just too far outside their understanding of what is "right" or logical.  We do have feminism to thank for this, and I would not have it any other way. I think that every woman should have the right to choose the kind of relationship that works best for her.  Actually that is not completely true.  I would have it one other way, that everyone is respected for the choices they make.  I just do not let the radicals, sexist or feminists, tell me the way I sould live my lfe.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
Tevemer</p>
<p>Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. -Dandemis</p>

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<div class="links">by <a href="user/218" title="View user profile.">Tevemer</a> on 2006 Aug 14 - 16:18 | <a href="user/login">login</a> or <a href="user/register">register</a> to post comments</div>

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