Is spanking always sexual?

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For the benefit of new readers, may I stress that many Taken In Hand couples do not employ ‘discipline’ in their relationships. Some (DeeMarie, for example) enjoy other kinds of violent engagement but not ‘discipline’, and many do not like any kind of violence, disciplinary or otherwise (Bramble, for example). But this article is relates to those who do employ ‘discipline’ in their Taken In Hand relationship and would not want a relationship without punishment spankings or other ‘discipline’.

I know that some Taken In Hand folk get exasperated with those who deny the eroticism of serious punishment spanking, and I myself have often argued that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, but given that I am a person for whom the idea of being spanked is... well... entirely uninteresting, not my cup of tea (except when I read articles like this one), perhaps I am in a good position to see both sides' positions, here!


On the one hand, there are those who are firmly in the “disciplinary spanking is definitely sexual” camp. On the other hand, there are those who believe that being disciplined is never sexual. Both groups want discipline in their lives.

As I have argued in this series, I think the truth is somewhere between (or perhaps different from either of) the two ends of the spectrum. Being taken in hand doesn't necessarily imply anything physical. It doesn't have to involve spanking. The idea of being spanked leaves some Taken In Hand folk completely cold, in fact. Some would not want to be taken in hand physically at all. Others enjoy being physically taken in hand but don't like ‘discipline’.

Being taken in hand can be physical but it is primarily psychological. And when you understand its psychology, it is easy to see why for some individuals, it is vital that the spanking is serious, painful and non-sexual.

The absolute refusal to admit that there is anything sexual about ‘discipline’ is functional in such individuals' psychology. They do not experience it as sexual, and they do not think of it as sexual, and if they did, it would immediately lose its power to create an intense sexual connection between the two individuals. These women enjoy feeling a little afraid of their husband.

The idea that they are married to a man who would not hesitate to use force to bring them (back into) to subjection is positively thrilling – as well as relaxing – for them. They are positively delighted that there have been (rare) occasions when their husbands have taken them firmly and forcefully in hand against their will and in such a thorough way that sex was the last thing on their minds. The dynamics between these women and their husbands would not be the same without this.

The knowledge that they really might be overpowered and forcefully and thoroughly and painfully taken in hand against their will is a very important part of what makes their relationship work. Many women fear that they will end up walking all over their husband. The knowledge that their husband will keep them in subjection using force against their will if necessary allows such women finally to stop worrying and relax.

When such a woman has been seriously, thoroughly and forcefully taken in hand, she is at peace. When she is taken in hand in that way, it banishes all possible doubt that the man is really in charge. It is no longer possible to retain doubts about whether or not the ‘unequal’ nature of their relationship is real. It is absolutely and totally clear that this is not a game, and that her husband can handle her.

Conversely, if such a woman knew that her husband would never take her in hand forcefully and in that moment against her will, their relationship would feel too egalitarian; the two of them would feel too similar, no longer aware of the delightful differences between them. It would no longer feel as though the man were in control. It would feel to these individuals more like a game and less real.

So some Taken In Hand couples do want there to be – very occasional – serious, thorough, hardcore force against the woman's will at the time it happens. And some such couples do not see the connection between these interactions and their sexual connection, and do not experience it as being in any way sexual.

The sort of interaction I have been discussing is, by its very nature, not something that happens every day. For most people, engaging in this kind of interaction on a daily basis would be exhausting and unpleasant. It would drive out the good feelings in the relationship instead of magnifying them. It might well be abusive.

Other Taken In Hand folk like spanking and want lots of it. Clearly, the daily spanking sessions they have cannot be the sort of interaction I have been discussing above. The emotional tone must be less intense and more fun, or at least less serious and more obviously positive and consensual. Indeed, for some of these Taken In Hand folk, the idea of the ‘non-consensual’ interactions I have been discussing is absolutely appalling. They never have those kinds of interactions and would never want to. They need the consensual and sexual nature of their ‘disciplinary’ interactions to be more evident in each and every encounter. These individuals engage in lots of ‘disciplinary spanking’ but they experience it as being sexual, even at the time in some cases.

Another group of ‘discipline’ enthusiasts who take the view that their spanking is not sexual do so because their ‘disciplinary’ interactions have the appearance and style of CP role playing (for example, they talk about the woman ‘misbehaving’, ‘infractions’, ‘rules’ and ‘consequences’, and the woman is spanked ‘over the knee’ and may be made to stand in the corner like a ‘naughty little school child’) but in their psychology the spanking needs to feel (and be!) more real than it would do if it were just a role-playing game. If they think of what they are doing as being real and serious and non-sexual, that increases the power of the dynamic for them and allows them to maintain a more intense sexual connection than would be possible for them if they experienced what they are doing as being sexual.

Many Taken In Hand and DD individuals are also spankos, enjoying so-called ‘erotic spanking’ as well as (what they experience as) ‘serious disciplinary non-sexual spanking’. Such individuals often feel the need to keep these two kinds of interaction separate in their minds. For some at least, if they do not maintain this distinction and rigid separation in their minds, all their interactions would effectively be of the spanking-for-fun variety, and the Taken In Hand aspect of their relationship would disappear, leaving them feeling decidedly frustrated and dissatisfied. So for some, maintaining that their ‘punishment spanking’ is not sexual in any way, and experiencing it that way too, is an effective way of maintaining the Taken In Hand dynamic even in the mind of a woman who loves being spanked.

Moving on to another group, some experience being physically taken in hand as being non-sexual because in their minds being taken in hand is more about creating harmony between the two individuals than it is about creating a sexual connection. These individuals are aware of the blissful peace they feel when they have been taken in hand physically, but they do not experience that as being in any way sexual. They feel safe, secure, loved, and protected, but not sexual. Yet this dynamic does bring them together as man and wife, and this is not the kind of thing they would feel comfortable doing with someone other than their husband, so I conjecture that the underlying unconscious dynamic is (partly) sexual.

In a few cases, being taken in hand is the only kind of ‘taking’ happening in the relationship, and I conjecture that in at least some such cases, the ‘discipline’ is effectively the ‘sex’ in their relationship.

But this is all just my own speculation. Ultimately, we each have to experience these things in our own way, and how one person looks at it is unlikely to suit others. We are all individuals. The human mind is very complex, and expecting everyone to see things your way is unrealistic. Whatever you do or don't do, and however you see it, enjoy your Taken In Hand relationship!

the boss

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Depends on who you are...

I think whether spanking is always sexual depends on the couple. Some swear up and down that getting a disciplinary spanking is not sexual at all. For me, although in the middle of a disciplinary spanking I'm definitely not thinking about sex and don't feel particularly sexy--I'm thinking about how much my ass hurts and that I might in fact die--it is still, somehow, sexual. I'm getting turned on, though that's not foremost in my mind mid-spanking.

The whole concept of being taken in hand, physically or otherwise, is hot, so whatever constitutes being taken in hand is, for me, pretty hot too. I guess some people can separate their feelings about punishment spankings from their feelings about erotic ones.

While it is obvious to me which kind of spanking I am getting, and while punishment spankings are a hell of a lot more unpleasant, at the end of the day, I'm still a hot little honey when it's over (although with the punishment, I'm considerably more chastized...)

Mary

Bravo to the boss!

Bravo to the boss! I don’t believe I have ever seen the essential paradox of the discipline-versus-eroticism dichotomy more clearly explained.

The following is only of indirect application to your argument, but may serve to illustrate it all the same. Some years ago, a small journal, “The Governess”, was circulated to members of the Alice Kerr-Sutherland Society, a literary group devoted to the diametrical opposite of the Taken in Hand philosophy—that is, to the “leading role” in relationships being taken by women. There was plenty of corporal punishment on the agenda (which goes without saying) and plenty of moral discussion also (which was rather more unusual but nonetheless welcome) but what set this periodical apart—aside from its literary excellence—was its strict eschewing of anything remotely connected with sex. There was absolutely no mention of the subject whatever, with elaborate circumlocutions being employed whenever necessary. In an extraordinary way this only added to the erotic power of “The Governess”; and yet I cannot believe the editors and publishers were in any way unaware of the reality of the situation.

Might it not be that the erotic nature of even a disciplinary spanking might be all the better for not being mentioned, let alone acted upon? Truly some things are better left unsaid. It is perfectly possible, after all, that an event might be dreaded and yet longed for, enjoyed and at the same time endured, and afterwards recalled with pleasure—and also with the hot flush of shame and the memory of acute discomfort. These are not mutually exclusive emotions, such is the extraordinary complexity of the human mind. Where each of us draws the line is a matter of individual taste and preference—and indeed it may vary from occasion to occasion.

It's Always Erotic to Me

The only time in my life when a disciplinary spanking was not erotic was the time it was nonconsensual. That's because I was frightened. All other spankings I have ever received (and given) with a man for whatever reason have always had an erotic component. That does not mean they led to sex.

I have been spanked by a female and while I enjoyed her skill and felt I could learn technique from her, I didn't find that erotic. Does this mean I could be disciplined nonerotically by a female? Yes, probably it does, and no, I'm not at all interested.

The daddy-daughter dynamic makes my skin crawl. I'm a grown woman and I want to relate to a grown man. I'm not a child and I don't have more faults than my husband. I don't happen to choose to live in a taken in hand relationship but if I did it would be about liking to be spanked and not about who is better qualified to be the constant leader of the relationship. BUT, if someone were going to punish me, he'd have to demonstrate to my satisfaction that he is indeed of a higher moral caliber, wiser about personal and financial habits, etc. etc. before I would consider awarding him that role.

Better left unsaid

Edward Anthony wrote:

what set this periodical apart—aside from its literary excellence—was its strict eschewing of anything remotely connected with sex. There was absolutely no mention of the subject whatever, with elaborate circumlocutions being employed whenever necessary. In an extraordinary way this only added to the erotic power of “The Governess”; and yet I cannot believe the editors and publishers were in any way unaware of the reality of the situation.

Might it not be that the erotic nature of even a disciplinary spanking might be all the better for not being mentioned, let alone acted upon? Truly some things are better left unsaid.

Yes indeed. This very nicely illustrates my point. Thanks for posting that, Edward! This is precisely the point in the argument about whether or not each and every article on Taken In Hand should state categorically that it refers to consensual activity only. I understand the concern, but sometimes, the last thing one wants is to read such a notice. Or at least, the last thing I myself want is to read such a notice. As I mentioned in the article above, there are many Taken In Hand folk for whom it is important that the consent be explicit. I have also talked about this here and in the discussion on this thread.

(And as a person who is unapologetically prudish, I can't help wishing that there were a lot more of those circumlocutions and much less explicit sexual writing!)

Excellent Article!

Thank you for such a well thought article on the sexual dynamics of spanking, both for pleasure and punishment.

For myself personally, a disciplinary spanking is not sexually stimulating in and of itself, but the emotions I feel afterward -- a deep and intense love and respect for my husband -- often are. Like some other women here have mentioned, since my marriage became a Taken In Hand relationship, I have experienced a state of constant arousal, or at least a constant readiness for his arousal. This, coupled with these intense feelings, can be very sexual.

As has been said by some very wise ladies before, being Taken In Hand is HOT! :-)

Just last night I received what was probably my most severe disciplinary spanking yet. Today, however, I plan to attack him and rip his clothes off the moment he arrives home from work, because thinking about how *in charge* he was ... and always is ... just gets me.

What I find so sexy about our relationship is not the spanking itself, although we do play with (much milder!) erotic spanking from time to time. Instead, it is the very thought of being Taken In Hand that i find so sexy. I find comfort and peace in the knowledge that my husband can and will do what is necessary to rein me back in if I step out of line. I also find security in the knowledge that our marriage is much more harmonious and happy now that he has taken me in hand.

Thanks again for the thoughtful article and the lovely site.

things unsaid

I recently had the occasion to spank my wife for a publicly embarrassing misdemeanor in connection with our neighbours which actually resulted in some bodily harm to her. She is adamant that spanking for her is not a sexual turn-on, either at the time or in retrospect. On this occasion she slammed a door or two after the punishment. Yet, ever since, she has been noticeably more affectionate and submissive, and I cannot help making the connection, which I wouldn't put to her as she would surely deny it. (For the record, she has told me I can spank her "whenever I want to".) It doesn't bother me that she doesn't admit it, I believe there is too much analysing, categorising, labelling, and it's certainly not something that my wife does. Just let's look and see what happens, what works.

depends on who you are...

I think what you're talking about is very common. That when a woman is being disciplined, the spanking can be intensely painful or seem unbearable , but it can still be sexually exciting while it's happening. And incredibly arousing afterwards. While giving a disciplinary spanking, I've had a woman be angry with me, but after the fact, as you say, she was a hot little honey -- and a damned sight better behaved too.

David

According to my experience. . .

. . . being spanked has never been sexual in any way, although the level of trust in our relationship has expanded to the point that I feel more sexually attracted to my husband as a result of being spanked by him. After he has bruised my bottom, I am not really "in the mood" for sex but I do feel a deep emotional connection to him (once the sharp stinging has subsided to a warm burning sensation) that increases my passion when I am intimate with him.

I understand that some people use spanking as a form of erotica and I have not quite figured out how it can possibly be a "turn on" when what is on my mind to the exclusion of everything else is the painful physical sensation of being spanked, which is somewhat overwhelming at the time. I don't like being spanked, but I do like the fact that my husband loves me enough to provide loving correction in a way that reaches me more effectively than anything else.

I never really took my husband seriously until he physically demonstrated that he is capable of enforcing consequences for my destructive behavior. It is comforting for me to know that he can and will overpower me when I am on a crash course headed for destruction. In the past I "walked all over him" and his taking me in hand and spanking me has put an abrupt end to that.

I find that I am more anxious to please him now that I know he is truly paying attention to me and my behavior. I prefer a spanking over a frustrated retreat any day because his past separation from me caused me to feel more distant from him so that the connection between us was broken and the intimacy in the relationship was threatened. When we can maintain the closeness and communication that spanking provides, we are both happier as a result.

So, in a way, spanking does lead to a better sex life for my husband and I but it is not the spanking itself that keeps the flame of passion burning. It is the emotional aftermath of a spanking that strengthens our relationship.

It is also my better behavior that keeps our marriage intact. I am clearly the one with behavior problems, which is why it makes sense that my husband should be the HOH in our marriage. Perhaps his being 25 years older than me helps establish him as the authority figure in addition to his being a man. Now that we have a Taken In Hand relationship, I look up to him more than ever.

I don't "like" to be spanked, but I do appreciate the benefits once the spanking is over. I don't think we could achieve the same results any other way.

It's always sexual for me

Starting with the delicious feeling of apprehension and anticipation beforehand, then the intensely pleasurable feeling I get from lying across his knee, feeling his hand caress my bottom, flinching a little apprehensively as he moves his hand and I know when I feel it again it isn't going to be a caress.

While the blows are actually falling on my bottom it doesn't feel sexy, it damn well hurts and I long for it to stop,especially when he's using one of the more fearsome implements in his arsenal, but underneath that feeling is the feeling of intense excitement, and this exquisitely helpless feeling.

And when it is just hurting too badly and I slither off his knee and sit there whimpering on the floor and he says sternly "Get back here instantly" , and I crawl back over his knee, and I feel I can't possibly bear any more but I know I'm going to have to, oh yes, it's all very sexual.

And the warm afterglow, when it's over and I'm lying on a painfully throbbing bottom and longing to be able to rub it or at least move off it but I'm absolutely not allowed to,and Im glowing inside as well as out, that's the most sexual part of all.

No spanking isn't always sexual.. but nice if it ends that way

In my experience..the spanking without physical affection afterwards.. can almost be the same as the discipline from the headmaster at school. Spanked and then left to think about it. But in a marriage or relationship, that hug, caress or even love making afterwards, serves a purpose. It shows that while he wants the partner to behave in a more acceptable manner in the future, it also shows that he loves her despite what she has done, shows he has done this purely to improve thier loving relationship and proves the love involved by loving her afterwards.

To walk away from a spanking and just get on with daily life as though nothing has happened, seems almost too cold for my liking. To be gently caressed afterwards and even made love to, reassures her that everything will be better now, as long as she does not repeat the act that got her in to trouble in the first place. It also lets her know that she is still loved and cherrished.

No it doesn't have to be a mad tumble in the sheets afterwards, but a gentle love making, to put an end to all the stuff that caused the spanking, is so lovely. Maybe this is just my opinion, But I know from my own experience that love should always follow discipline.

Erotic for me

This is a very good article and points out the different camps' viewpoints clearly and concisely.

For me, spanking is always erotic, even if not always leading to sex. I get the same physiological reaction regardless of who is spanking me and the reason why.

The fun and erotic spankings speak for themselves. The disciplinary spankings are harder to define. I have had the tell-tale "dampness" with all kinds of spankings, but my mind processes it differently. They do all create a strong bond between me and my partner.

Spanking for fun and pleasure is like foreplay. Discipline, on the other hand, gives me release from guilt and frustration. I feel cleansed and refreshed after being spanked. It makes me feel more vulnerable, which leads to me having erotic thoughts.

To be sure, though, DURING the spanking my mind flies into a panic wondering if he will ever stop spanking me. AFTER is when I feel warm, feminine, and sexy. The hugs and kisses afterward, his reassurance to me that he forgives me and still loves me, my reassurance that he did what was necessary out of love and not anger...that to me is very erotic. That level of vulnerability is a big turn on.

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